SSJ 2 Vegeta (Android Saga) vs Piccolo (Kami fused)

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SSJ 2 Vegeta (Android Saga) vs Piccolo (Kami fused)
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SSJ	Nov 24 2013, 06:41 AM Post #1
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Who wins?



* Ketchup Revenge	Nov 24 2013, 07:43 AM Post #2
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Good match. If you follow the official multipliers, SSj2 Vegeta would only be 2x himself in the Android Arc. I think Kamiccolo's above that by a considerable amount.
	The vengeance is her's for as long as she stands by Him.


Mightiest Gohan	Nov 24 2013, 08:38 AM Post #3
Posts: 1,040 Group: Member Member #10,132 Joined: September 6, 2013	SSJ2 Vegeta one shot Piccolo because I use a 5x multiplier for SSJ2. Android Arc SSJ2 Vegeta should be between Android 16 and Initial Semi Perfect Cell.
	Super Buu: So, hotshot! You want to fight Majin Buu? Gohan: Fight you? No. I wanna kill you!


+ Majin Vegeta	Nov 24 2013, 11:26 AM Post #4
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	I use the 4x times multiplier formula,so Vegeta oneshots him
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


SSJ	Nov 24 2013, 04:17 PM Post #5
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	If you guys are just going to say they win because of your multipliers all of the time, you need to back up your multipliers.



MSSJ2	Nov 24 2013, 08:58 PM Post #6
Posts: 26 Group: Member Member #9,115 Joined: February 27, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Cannon ssj2 multiplier is 2x. By my numbers: Vegeta ssj: 210.000.000 Kamiccolo: 300.000.000 Vegeta ssj2: 420.000.000 IMHO, vegeta stomps.



+ Majin Vegeta	Nov 24 2013, 09:04 PM Post #7
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	SuperSaiyan2 Nov 24 2013, 04:17 PM If you guys are just going to say they win because of your multipliers all of the time, you need to back up your multipliers. Have posted my reasoning at the other tread so I won't bother here to But if we are using the SEG multipliers then Vegeta and Piccolo would be equal,however Piccolo should win due yo regenaration and more wise mind
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


Mightiest Gohan	Nov 24 2013, 09:20 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,040 Group: Member Member #10,132 Joined: September 6, 2013	Even if we use SEG multipliers here, I don't think Piccolo could win because I place SSJ Vegeta is 1.66x weaker than Kamicollo. SSJ2 would be a 2x increase for Vegeta so he wins. Edited by Mightiest Gohan, Nov 24 2013, 09:21 PM.
	Super Buu: So, hotshot! You want to fight Majin Buu? Gohan: Fight you? No. I wanna kill you!


* Ketchup Revenge	Nov 24 2013, 09:48 PM Post #9
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	People need to realize that the series at this point in time is written in tiers. It's simpler for Toriyama to keep track of the power of enemies from a writing standpoint instead of remembering multipliers or numbers that he'd previously come up with. Stronger enemies and/or stronger forms are one tier above the weaker one, and by official power standards, this would also mean that SSj2 is only 1 tier above the regular Super Saiyan. This would put a Hypothetical SSj2 Vegeta at 18 or Imperfect Cell (Initial appearence) level, depending on amps, rage, etc. etc. Tier 1: Base Saiyans, Piccolo (Unfused) Tier 2: Super Saiyans Tier 3: 18, (Hypothetical SSj2 Vegeta), Initial Appearance Imperfect Cell Tier 4: 17, Kamiccolo Tier 5: Imperfect Cell (after absorbing all the people he can), Android 16
	The vengeance is her's for as long as she stands by Him.


+ Kaboom	Nov 24 2013, 10:16 PM Post #10
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	I think Vegeta would have this. Characters spend the Androids and early Cell arcs just leapfrogging each other one after another, but I don't think the power gaps in this case would be anything massive. A 2x boost from Super Saiyan 2 is more than enough to put Vegeta well over Piccolo and the Androids. Muh numbahs, for demonstration: SSJ Vegeta: 280 -- Super Saiyan 2: 560 Piccolo (post-merger): 400



+ Majin Vegeta	Nov 25 2013, 03:19 PM Post #11
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	I think Kabooms numbers are work just fine,I never had Kamiccolo above SSj Vegeta by 2x times,since 1.3x times Is enough for an oneshot I don't see any reason to put there difference so much higher
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


lunar2	Nov 26 2013, 01:42 AM Post #12
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	personally, i have a 10x ssj2 here, but it doesn't matter. even a 2x ssj2 is more than enough to put vegeta well over piccolo. ssj vegeta 100 #18 115 #17/kamiccolo 121 ssj2 vegeta 1000
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+ Majin Vegeta	Nov 28 2013, 08:47 PM Post #13
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	lunar2 Nov 26 2013, 01:42 AM personally, i have a 10x ssj2 here, but it doesn't matter. even a 2x ssj2 is more than enough to put vegeta well over piccolo. ssj vegeta 100 #18 115 #17/kamiccolo 121 ssj2 vegeta 1000 You use a 10x times SSj2 multiplier Lunar?
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


lunar2	Nov 28 2013, 11:21 PM Post #14
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	Vegeta SSj4 Nov 28 2013, 08:47 PM lunar2 Nov 26 2013, 01:42 AM personally, i have a 10x ssj2 here, but it doesn't matter. even a 2x ssj2 is more than enough to put vegeta well over piccolo. ssj vegeta 100 #18 115 #17/kamiccolo 121 ssj2 vegeta 1000 You use a 10x times SSj2 multiplier Lunar? i have all my ssj form boosts the same. so during the android saga, when ssj is ~10x base, ssj2 is ~10x ssj, and ssj3 is ~10x ssj2. later on, at the cell games, ssj has shrunk to a little over 3x base, and ssj2 is a little over 3x ssj, and ssj3 is a little over 3x ssj2.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


Muyasuki	Nov 29 2013, 12:48 AM Post #15
Posts: 743 Group: Member Member #6,973 Joined: November 12, 2011	Ketchup Revenge Nov 24 2013, 09:48 PM People need to realize that the series at this point in time is written in tiers. It's simpler for Toriyama to keep track of the power of enemies from a writing standpoint instead of remembering multipliers or numbers that he'd previously come up with. Stronger enemies and/or stronger forms are one tier above the weaker one, and by official power standards, this would also mean that SSj2 is only 1 tier above the regular Super Saiyan. This would put a Hypothetical SSj2 Vegeta at 18 or Imperfect Cell (Initial appearence) level, depending on amps, rage, etc. etc. Tier 1: Base Saiyans, Piccolo (Unfused) Tier 2: Super Saiyans Tier 3: 18, (Hypothetical SSj2 Vegeta), Initial Appearance Imperfect Cell Tier 4: 17, Kamiccolo Tier 5: Imperfect Cell (after absorbing all the people he can), Android 16 I actually agree with Toriyama using a tier system (albeit, I'd probably argue he'd been using that throughout the series) but I don't agree with your tiers here (especially placing 17 and 18 on different tiers and unfused Piccolo on the same tier as the base saiyans). With that said, I also would give it to SSJ2 Vegeta here after a hard fought fight. I see Piccolo being close to double SSJ Vegeta but any power advantage (no matter how slight) in a fight between the Z-fighters will have the win leaning towards the stronger fighter more times than not. Edited by Muyasuki, Nov 29 2013, 12:59 AM.



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